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Macio Moretti

Macio Moretti's cozy flat is made so special with its charm. Unassuming, located in the quiet corner of the urban jungle, Warsaw’s Saska Kępa district. Apart from an abundance of various albums and souvenirs from the world travels, it has what really matters: the soul.

Macio Moretti is a real jack-of-all-trades. It's hard to imagine the contemporary Polish scene without him. The flywheel artist of many outstanding projects, who played in many bands and holds the reigns on the indie publisher Lado ABC. If you still don’t know who stands behind the triumphant return of singer Zbigniew Wodecki, Macio is the man. Who designed album covers for Hey, Marcin Masecki and a few other Lado artists? Macio Moretti, who else. Our visit was marked with the flavour of rooibos, flowing anecdotes on Brazil and a sentimental return to metal.



For a while now, I wanted to pack my CDs up and put them away. I rarely listen to them, they get the most use in the car, where I have not mp3 player. So, I always need some takeaway albums. That might be the main reason I haven’t done it yet. The other thing it's sort of a road map of my life. In most cases, I can tell the story of an album, where I bought it or whom I got it from and when. Since I don’t write a journal, albums do the job for me.

(Macio gets up and reaches for some albums). Here, for instance, something of absolute importance for me: two albums by Kobong. The band who could’ve made it anywhere, but unfortunately, they were not able to spiral into a great career. The prices of these albums skyrocket on [Polish eBay counterpart] Allegro. On this wall, you’ll probably find a lot of Allegro rarities, some 90s originals, real exemplaries. But I don't sell those treasures. And I don't even treat them as an investment, I just use them as they’re meant to be.

By the way, yesterday, I was watching some interviews with Ian MacKaye of Fugazi. He was talking about some exhibition in Washington DC and how he was asked to bring some Dischord artefacts from his collection. Right then he was talking about a skateboard that featured the sheep from the Minor Threat cover. They asked him if he could lend it to them, to which he retorted that it's just a skateboard, then jumped on it and did a round; you know, they just stared wide-eyed. Then he went off it and passed it to the curator and said “and now it's art” (laughs). So I treat these albums as that skateboard, their purpose is to be listened to.


Here, you can find loads of Polish stuff, like the CD-R I got from Olaf Deriglasoff. These are Apteka's cast-offs from the Menda session. Olaf is a keen archivist and he collects everything. I’ll play you a fucking awesome version of Psychodeliczny Kowboj, where Kodym (Jędrzej Kodymowski, the singer) improvises the lyrics on the spot, laughing his ass off non-stop. Probably Olaf and I are the only people who have it. Other funny stuff from Olaf, an album he recorded in Germany. Somewhere, he found a double tape recorded with karaoke function and delay. You play a tape, plug in a mic and sing along. So Olaf dubbed his vocals over a Shadows tape inside. He added the lyrics and made up his own versions, making songs on the life of a young Tricity punk in the 80s. Really fucking awesome.

(A raw version of an Apteka song, with vastly improvised lyrics, plays in the background)

I still have the first CD I’ve ever been given, probably at the age of 18. My friend presented me with the Mr.Bungle debut album. I even got two covers: I got another one from DJ Volt (600V). In the heyday of the legendary Alfa club, he DJd at parties with, among others, Maciek Sienkiewicz. To the club, they bought albums to be played there. When the albums went to different people after the place closed down, I asked Volt to pass me the cover to the Mr. Bungle album and that's why I have two, one new and one worn out (laughs).

That might not be a great rarity, but I’m also a huge fan of The Car Is On Fire and I have Japanese versions of their first and third album with bonus tracks. This entire wall, alphabetically arranged, is 25 years of collecting, as you can see (the shelves contain some few thousands CDs).




I have a particularly damn awesome tapes collection, especially those from Łódź. Here, a band called Pustostator formed by Frank and Fagot of 19 Wiosen, you can see the whole lot of their weird music, oh, and here, you’ve even got the first 19 Wiosen released just on tape. I also hace Uryna Box, Frank's solo project, and here again, Pustostator and 'No i chuj', ’The Best of 19 Wiosen’ with an awful MIDI medley made by Fagot. The next part of Uryna Box. It’s an opportunity, I’ll put something on. Cassettes are a good topic. With old-school stuff, here are some little demos that make me happy. Like, the first tape I’ve ever released, 1995 and the band Sleaze Image, total DIY. We sold it for 2 zloties in some plastic bags, it was even written on it not to sell it any more expensive (laughs). It's less than 30 minutes, so we asked the guy to record the same thing, but backwards on the B-side and it turned out some people listened to the whole thing this way. Recorded in the Ochota Culture Centre in ‘94. And here, my first professionally recorded demo ever, Hybrydy, 1991. (Macio plays screeching sounds in the background). We played everything, post metal/punk, Dead Kennedys covers, etc.

We sold it for 2 zloties in some plastic bags, it was even written on it not to sell it any more expensive (laughs).

As you can see, it's a little collection of Łódź and Warsaw tapes. Coming back to the 2 złoties tape, every now and again, someone tells me about it. Of course, these are people from my pre-internet generation. Because other than that, this music doesn’t exist, it's nowhere to be found (laughs). But it's cool that they bought this tape for 2 zloties and they still remember that. I played bass there, my mate Zielak from the 8th floor was on guitar, and Krzysiek Siwy Bentkowski, who later played in Antigama and other grindcore stuff, on drums. The name of the band was fluid, because each time there was a typo in the press, and it happened often, we adopted this newly formed name. Originally, we were called Sleaze Image, and here, for example, you have Sifaze Uimage. We also had the flow to invite totally random people, so it can be the most 'cray-cray'. So here, you’ve got scratches from DJ Platoon or 600V, or fagot player Kuba Kossak. Random crazy stuff, that’s it about tapes.




With me, it was always that wherever I went, the first place I hit were record stores. In the pre-Internet era, I’ve been doing research with friends and marked particular places on the map. Each time, I brought piles of albums homes, but the proportions were 8 CDs to 1 vinyls, as I mostly collected the former. For some reason, for example, I have all NoMeansNo albums on vinyl. Mostly old editions. A few years ago, I was in Brazil and we went to a cool shop in São Paulo. I bought enormous quantities of albums there, some were probably never even released on CDs, and since then, I switched to vinyls. Out of the sweetest stuff, I’ve recently brought the re-edit of a Brazilian Octopus vinyl. Years ago, Mauricio Takara played it to me, fascinated with the work of Hermeto Pascoala. Those were the beginnings of 'mp3ing', some 2005, and it was then that he burnt these files for me. I’m slightly obsessed with it, to the point of playing it live twice (vide the Igor Krenz Warsaw Entertainment Orchestra – ed.). Once I bought the original version, still in mono, for some crazy money, and recently, this stereo edition. A beautiful album. I have an enormous amount of Brazilian music in general. From samba stuff to rock nacional, new wave and other curiosities. Or a band named Titãs, who now play regular rock, but this album (here, Macio points to Cabeça Dinossauro – ed.) sounds like the Brazilian Siekiera counterpart.

I had the most amazing story happen to me in São Paulo. We went there with the whole family, for two months, renting out a house to reset. To stop thinking about any bands, albums, music, no bloody politics, internet and any of this malarkey. I turned off my phone and Facebook and was only thinking about spending time with my family. One day, we were strolling around our house and I noticed that there's a sort of a thrift or a pawn shop round the corner. A pile of books, some cabinets, lamps and about a 100 records, all on display in front of the store, in the street. I automatically stopped, quickly skimming through it, but resolving to come back later. Suddenly, the owner came out, we started talking, swapping telephone numbers. A month went by, I haven’t been there since then, but I started often passing this place on my way home. It was always closed, each and every time. I thought, too bad, we can’t stumble upon each other. My last evening in Brazil, I thought I'd give the guy a call. It was past 9 pm, I recall who I am to the guy and say that his store is always closed since some time, and he replies I should just have knocked on the door. He often just sits there, he just wasn't bothered to roll up the blinds, you get it? (laughs). There was no chance to meet up the next day, so we spontaneously arranged to meet right then. He said he lives above the shop and he can come down for me for a moment. So I went there, I didn’t have their currency any more, so I took my last 100 dollars. I got there, the guy came downstairs and we started talking. It’s dark and empty everywhere, and we started getting into heavier and heavier subjects. Life stories. He starts opening up to me, telling me that he’s depressed, his parent died recently, he's out of touch with his brother and his woman left him. He lost his life purpose, he only has the thrift shop that he’s not even particularly bothered to manage. I really got into that, the conversation got on an incredible level. I was comforting him, trying to motivate him, of course, you need to look on the bright side. After a while, we came inside. I look through the albums, and suddenly he says that if I want more, there's some more at the end of the store. So I went there, and here's about 10 albums, what kind of deal is that. My eyes started lighting up, I fly out tomorrow, why haven’t I come here eyes! I found a dozen albums from the very start, and these were the titles that swept me off my feet. And the guy goes, there's more in his flat upstairs. I started helping him arrange that, it was crazy. And I’m telling you this, because that very album was lying there exactly this way and I remembered that (here, Macio points to the Novos Baianos vinyl A Criar Caia na Estrada e Perigas Ver – ed.) Of course, I've spent this 100 dollars. I went out 2 or 3 hours later, totally overwhelmed. We’ve lost touch since I left, but the experience was incredible. A real temple of vinyl rarities.


I look through the albums, and suddenly he says that if I want more, there's some more at the end of the store. So I went there, and here's about 10 albums, what kind of deal is that. My eyes started lighting up, I fly out tomorrow, why haven’t I come here eyes!

OK, let's play Titãs (laughs). It's funny that they became a totally average rock band, and they used to be so good. Just like T. Love in Poland, after all. Oh, here, another Brazilian band. It came out in 1996, they were called Chico Science & Nação Zumbi. The music on Afrociberdelia sounds exactly as the cover looks, the essence of the 90s. My first time in Brazil was in 1996 and I fell in love with this band from the first listen. This Chico guy died in an accident then. The band stopped for a while, but then they kept releasing albums as Nação Zumbi. I was in Rio in February, I was arranging some recording sessions there and I’ve looked online for a moment to see what happens in music. You won’t believe that, but on this very day, there was a Nação Zumbi gig, and I've never seen them live before. Of course, all the tickets were sold out, and they’re supposed to play this entire album on its 20th anniversary. Luckilly, Kassin, with whom I stayed, produced their last album and I got into that show. These friendships are a funny thing. I started going to Brazil in the 90s to see a girl. Then, I started many friendships that later had an interesting influence on my life. For example, I have a female friend from Brasilia, with whom we lived in a squat in London. Staying with her, I found out there was a Titãs concert. We wanted to go, I've sent two emails and we had the guestlist arranged, because it turned out a guy I met just two days before is their soundman and he arranged the tickets. And suddenly, the thing for her is that somebody comes from Poland, sees you for the first time in 20 years and along the way, gets you into your favourite band’s show.

Out of the albums I bought recently, the newest Descendents album, titled Hypercaffium Spazzinate. I am their total psycho fan. Here is my Volvo music. Descendents are a band to create pop-punk, or more exactly, strengthened it. Of course, they have the least of it, because it was only the second wave that got all the fame and fortune. Every now and again, I buy their t-shirts, like a teenager (laughs). I pre-ordered their most recent album, their first one in 12 years, of course, in a set of vinyl and a CD for the Volvo. If I was to name three bands that make me go nuts like a little kid when they play somewhere within reach, these would be Helmet and Voivod.



I’ve seen Voivod about three times, they’ve recently played again, but I gave it up and chose holidays with my family this time. For me, all their albums from Dimension Hatross, their 4th, to The Outer Limits are my total tops. I've got three of them on vinyl, unfortunately not The Outer Limits, which I’ll probably never buy. On auctions, the price shifts between 300-400 euros, there were no re-edits, ever. Despite their numerous metal references, actually, luckilly, they were regular punks. On their later albums, they were totally progressive, until they stopped trying to evolve. To me, The Outer Limits were a symbolic closure, later, for a while, they flirted with industrial, and later, they started copying themselves. You've no idea how cool it is that someone born in ‘94 knows and listens to Voivod (laughs). When I think about metal things I've listened to like mad in primary school, these Canadians are one of the things that I love and listen to to this day; they’ve stood the test of time with me.

Do you know that album? Epidemie by Turbo, a real thrash thing. Totally technical, fucked up stuff, with the sound set on Anthrax. When I was a young metalhead, it was the only Polish band I listened to. Maybe Acid Drinkers for a while, when they came along, but they quickly bored me. The vinyl was released about the era of the first Polish Metal Hammers. Then, I got hooked on Sepultura, whose Chaos AD was partially an answer to the Biohazard ot Helmet era. With post-metal things, there's only Meshuggah, I love them. I've listened to Destroy Erase Improve about a million times. We should do a special episode on metal only (laughs).

In new metal things, there's probably nothing to draw my attention. Some time ago, I bought the new Decapitated album – Blood Mantra. There's something about me to really get me, a sort of insider knowledge, especially visible to a retired metalhead. I can hear echoes of Prong, Pantera, Sepultura, the aforementioned Meshuggah. It’s so well-served, Vogg made his own mixture and it doesn't bother me that the the album drags on at times. I’ll play you a fucking awesome riff, I make everyone listen to it (laughs); to me, it's the global top of riffs (the song is Instinct – ed.) Here, I have a few Antigama albums, I played bass there for a while. But mind that, now I'm playing you the riff-of-a-fucking-century. The beginning drags on a bit, but seeing what happens next, it’s even cooler, it makes you wait even longer for this special moment. There's a finesse in Decapitated and for a while, I can’t get away from Blood Mantra. I played in the car non stop. I think that Vogg could do even more fucked-up stuff (longer pause, as we admire the aforementioned riff in silence)


You've no idea how cool it is that someone born in ‘94 knows and listens to Voivod (laughs). When I think about metal things I've listened to like mad in primary school, these Canadians are one of the things that I love and listen to to this day; they’ve stood the test of time with me.


I’ll show you another 'holy Grali' that I've found. It partially inspired the new LXMP album, the entire space feeling, a great edition, a fantastic cover. In front of you, Moon Gas by Dick Hyman and Mary Mayo, savour it. When we were recording Żony w pracy, some cosmic magma got into us, some utopian vision, we got hooked on this entire pre-space era. On being aware that at some point, you’ll reach these stars, but you don’t yet know how. This thing was released in 1963 and in its honour, we released 63 tapes of the most recent LXMP. Among other space albums, Les Baxter, Space Escapade some 50s. Here, we also have an electronic album from the era: Tom Dissevelt and his Fantasy In Orbit: Round The World With Electronic Music, another great release; let's listen to that. In those days, the Philips laboratory tested many devices and Dissevelt, among others, as a jazz musician, took part in their electronic experiments. I’ll show you the box entitled Popular Electronics – Early Dutch Electronic Music From Philips Laboratories (1956-1963) that features loads of albums recorded in Philips labs. Inside, apart from albums, photos, scores and many others. My heartfelt recommendations. I’m totally hooked on albums that have oscillator graphs on their covers. I get one every time I see one. It occurs to me to buy albums only judging by the cover. A few times, I've stumbled upon something really wonderful.



Do you know this? Spazztic Blurr, a totally foolish band of Wehrmacht members. It came out on Earache Records, where Napalm Death released too. Seen ND at Off? For me, it's the best concert at the festival. Or the first D.R.I. EP. They're considered the creators of crossover, but to me, this 7-inch is the best. I recommend watching their concert from the era from CBGB’s, the whole thing is on YouTube. I got to know it a really, really long time ago, there was the famous Dziupla shop at Ząbkowska, and when they sold you metal tapes, they recorded something extra on the other side. You got a surprise as a bonus, freaking awesome stuff at times. When I've heard D.R.I., I got crazy, later, when they drifted more towards metal, I stopped listening to them.. Plus, check out this cool font it's written in; same for Voivod, where everything is handmade, of course. Their drummer did all the graphics and hand-wrote the lyrics, I even bought a book of his works at their show One time on YT, I found a part of an interview with them. They were telling how they were hooked on King Crimson as kids and how they learned to play all their cuts. They’ve learnt them so well they decided to learn to play them backwards (laughs).

Here, a band that released three albums of a lifetime in total, they never really existed. A cover band, a bit like Kwadratowi. They were called King Uszniewicz & His Uszniewicztones and they played that, for example: I’ll play you a Beatles cover and leave you with this for a while.


I got to know it a really, really long time ago, there was the famous Dziupla shop at Ząbkowska, and when they sold you metal tapes, they recorded something extra on the other side. You got a surprise as a bonus, freaking awesome stuff at times.

And here, you've got Napalm Of Death: a project that we formed for a while and we played a one-second concert in the Skaryszewski park, the entire programme was You Suffer. Dead for the encore, so it all took 2 seconds. Oh, look who's here: Igor Krenz, it was out common idea. The tape is 5 seconds long. The album is 4 inches. Henry Mancini and his Breakfast at Tiffany’s soundtrack – I have as many as two copies. I listen to this album so often that I simply need to have another copy – for later. You asked about this Steve Reich box? Another interesting story. Once, two female friends asked me to teach them the basics of Photoshop. First of all, I don’t have the methodical knowledge and I can’t really teach, but I said fine, that’s cool. They asked how much this would be, and I had no idea. I told them to buy me this Reich box and we’d be even. The first lesson was the last (laughs).

Macio Moretti (b. 1975) – Musician and graphic designer, or the other way around. He is one of Mitch & Mitch band, and besides that he is one of many. He was sixteen when he gave his first concert. It was twenty five years ago so he is surprised himself. He performed all around the world, excluding: Abhazia, Afghanistan, Albania, Algieria, Andorra, Angola, Antigua and Barbuda, Armenia, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belize, Benin, Bhutan, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Botswana, Brunei, Bulgaria, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Camroon, Cabo Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, Chile, China, Colombia, Comoros, Congo, Costa Rica, Cote d'Ivoire, Croatia, Cuba, Curacao, Cyprus, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Djibouti, Dominica, Dominican Republic, East Timor, Ecuador, Egipt, El Salvador, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Etiopia, Fiji, Gabon, Gambia, Georgia, Ghana, Greece, Grenada, Guatemala, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Guyana, Haiti, Honduras, India, Indonesja, Iran, Iraq, Irlandię, Jamaica, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kiribati, Kosovo, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Lebanon, Lesotho, Liberia, Libia, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Madagaskar, Malawi, Malaysia, Maldives, Mali, Malta, Mauretania, Mauritius, Marshall Islands, Mexico, Micronesia, Moldova, Monako, Mongolia, Montenegro, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nauru, Nepal, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Niger, Nigeria, North Korea, Oman, Pakistan, Panama, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Romania, Rwanda, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Samoa, San Marino, Sao Tome and Principe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Solomon Islands, Somalia, South Africa, South Korea, South Ossetia, South Sudan, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Surinam, Swaziland, Sweden, Syria, Taiwan, Tajikistan, Tanzania, Thailand, Togo, Tonga, Trinidad and Tobago, Tunesia, Turkmenistan, Tuvalu, Uganda, United Arab Emirates, Uruguay, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Vatican City, Venezuela, Vietnam, Yemen, Zambia i Zimbabwe. He co-created Warsaw based label "Lado ABC" which has released over 80 albums with music from Vistula whereabouts and more. He's got lots of plans and not enough time.